User:SpikeToronto/talk/Archive 8

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Mobile Script
I looked into different ways to load the scripts, and according to the dev wiki importArticles is the best for performance. Now, you said it causes your mobile device to crash. I looked into this, and I discovered this. The Runescape Wiki uses this page in very interesting ways that I think we could adapt to here. See for yourself. This would provide faster performance for computers without crashing mobile devices. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 14:22, June 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * A few things, which I’ll enumerate.
 * importArticles
 * Dev wiki members are other Wikians, like you and I. Their expertise certainly exceeds – by an order of magnitude! – the average Wikian. But, their best practices suggestions are just that: suggestions. They are not edicts from on high.
 * A number of equally skilled Wikians disagree about the benefits of importArticles
 * Your predecessor here (a professional in this field) and I tried importArticles and had it working quite well. (He was a real believer in it.) But, it was never consistent.
 * It may be great for us to use importArticles here, but when someone visits this wiki who uses the older method either in their local or global JS, they often encounter JS issues including with scripts we are loading via importArticles
 * It’s too buggy, and too much effort to maintain.
 * Mobile.
 * Generally, when the word mobile is used around Wikia – and specifically with pages like Mediawiki:Wikiamobile-menu – it means smartphones, iPod Touch, and other relatively small-screen devices. It does not mean tablets like iPad.
 * iPads are fully HTML5, CSS, JS, JQuery, etc., etc., compliant and compatible. iPad users use browsers (e.g., Safari, Chrome, etc.) to access Wikia and WMF sites. The only thing they lack is a JS console. (They can, however, integrate a CSS console into the Safari browser (which I have done).) Chances are if JS breaks on iPad, it will also break on a Mac. An iPad is essentially a small laptop computer.
 * Having said that, I recognize and acknowledge that this wiki is not mobile-compatible. By that I mean that it is not compatible with iPod Touch/iPhone users. That is a project that you can take on, if you want. There are some specialized tools for that purpose. At a later date, if you’re interested, I’ll introduce them to you and assign you the project.
 * Don’t waste time with importArticles. We will not be implementing it here or at ATW. —  Spike  Toronto  06:34, June 26, 2015 (UTC)

~Curiouscrab (talk) 17:32, June 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright. Then, I guess there isn't much other to try and do with mobile stuff unless a user reports issues that I might be able to fix. BTW, I used my console to see how the function works and there are no parameters, so it actually uses another script to import all the data values via tables and thus that probably would overload a "mobile" (in this case, anything that can be move and used easily at the same time) device that isn't really meant for things as complex as that.

Loading...
[ Here] at the bottom of the page there is the text "Loading..." Any ideas what it's doing there? ~Curiouscrab (talk) 19:16, June 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yep. I know exactly what’s going on there. That is the Admin Dashboard. It is a page unique to Wikia that brings together many of the tools used by Administrators on a daily basis. But, it only works properly in the Oasis skin. Try [ this link here] to see how it’s supposed to look.""Look, I like Monobook. At Wikipedia, I still use it over Vector. At Wikia, I still edit all CSS/JS pages in Monobook. But, it simply is not the skin for which Wikia is designed. The main pages of most popular wikis here — even the main page at Community Central! — are simply not compatible with Monobook. (We keep the main pages at SP and ATW simple so that they remain compatible with Monobook.) You need to switch over if you are going to admin at Wikia. First, switch to Oasis in your preferences. Then, under Editing at Special:Preferences, make your settings look like these. This keeps you editing in source mode — just like in Monobook — and not having to use either of Wikia’s horrible wysiwyg editors. —  Spike  Toronto  06:56, June 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * P.S. If you want, I can give you screen caps that show you how to set-up the amazing Oasis toolbar at the bottom of the screen. It’s so awesome, I almost never use pulldown menus, etc. Everything I need is on my personal toolbar. — Spike  Toronto  06:56, June 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * P.P.S. On the AdminDashboard, never ever use these buttons:
 * ThemeDesigner
 * WikiFeatures
 * TopNavigation
 * Doing so will get one permabanned so fast one will get whiplash. No appeals. Thank you. — Spike  Toronto  07:04, June 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * P.P.P.S. You can test with them at your CC wiki, or at w:c:spiketoronto: if you need to. — Spike  Toronto  07:04, June 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah. I saw it in Oasis and it didn't show, so I was just wondering what was going on. — Curiouscrab (talk) 17:29, June 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * When you’re in the Monobook skin, do you ever see any links anywhere to Special:AdminDashboard? Thanks! — Spike  Toronto  12:05, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Special:UnusedCategories
✅ ~Curiouscrab (talk) 18:32, June 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Fantabulous!! —  Spike  Toronto  12:01, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Jcnsteve
Jcnsteve is giving me some trouble. He dosen't explain why he's deletes/adds things.He's puts the Buttocks and nudity links in the Bo sheep page. And then he insults me when I didn't even do and thing to him.

Plus I'm sorry, If I didn't edit this properly. I'm still learning. — UsagiCandy


 * Do you have any links where I can see him doing any of this? —  Spike  Toronto  11:52, July 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ I placed a warning on his message wall. —  Spike  Toronto  13:01, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

It's been a long time
Hi how have you been its been a long time? — HypercaneTeen(talk) 01:21, July 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi HCT! Long time no see. How are things? Did you ever implement, over at your wiki, the IP range calculator that you had asked about? Hope all’s well. — Spike  Toronto  06:26, July 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * No I have not, i completely forgot about that, I have a question may I make a hypothetical stars mini wiki here even though i already made it in July 2013? —Hypotheticalhypercaneeg0.jpgcaneTeen(talk)Hypotheticalhypercaneeg0.jpg 12:17, July 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * Was it deleted?! If so, you can always ask to have it restored at Scratchpad:Requests for undelete (shortcut &rarr; SP:RFUD). Also, you don’t have to ask permission to create a mini-wiki. You can just go ahead and do it! You can either use the input box on the main page, or go to Scratchpad:Make a new wiki. After you create your mini-wiki, be sure to create the preload</tt> by clicking on the link that reads “clicking this link and saving that page”. You should then use the create box on that mini-wiki main page to create all your new pages for that mini-wiki.  —  Spike  Toronto  15:41, July 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * I just checked your deleted contributions, and nothing you have ever created has been deleted, unless you created it using a different account, or while not logged in. (By the way, everyone has to be logged in now to edit at Scratchpad. See: Scratchpad is now semi-protected.) —  Spike  Toronto  15:47, July 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * No, I meant i already made a wikia wiki about it but its dead so maybe starting over as a mini wiki could help it. — Hypotheticalhypercaneeg0.jpgcaneTeen(talk)Hypotheticalhypercaneeg0.jpg 17:54, July 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah. Wikia has an algorithm that deletes inactive wikis. So, perhaps that’s why yours is gone. You might be able to ask them to restore it for you. You have to give them the exact URL that it was (example URL: http://scratchpad.wikia.com). — Spike  Toronto  17:58, July 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * It's not gone it's just very inactive with no contributors: http://hypothetical-stars.wikia.com/wiki/ — Hypotheticalhypercaneeg0.jpgcaneTeen(talk)Hypotheticalhypercaneeg0.jpg 18:12, July 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * Feel free to create as many mini-wikis – interrelated or stand-alone – as you want. You can even create a if you want. We can be pretty relaxed in that regard.  —  Spike  Toronto  04:25, July 4, 2015 (UTC)

Restore Images
I wonder if you can restore an image of Baby Bop and BJ from the episode "It's Home to Me" I uploaded.

~Curiouscrab (talk) 18:11, July 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * You mean this one?


 * @CC: How did you find that? I cannot find its deletion record. —  Spike  Toronto  00:14, July 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Because I renamed the file. But, since you can't just rename a file nice and easy, I had to delete the old image, re-upload it under a new name, and fix any links/usages of the old image. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 18:14, July 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. —  Spike  Toronto  22:50, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Archived Polls
I created Template:Poll-done for archiving polls that have been completed. It works well right now, and would help protect some completed polls. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 17:53, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

Testing results at User:Curiouscrab/Sandboxes/Sandbox2. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 18:10, July 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * I saw that template soon after you created it. I was waiting for the documentation so I could know how to use it. I’ll check out the test results. —  Spike  Toronto  00:17, July 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ Documentation is complete. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 18:14, July 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * Good work on the /doc. As for the template, can we pretty it up a bit? Can it be made to look like a poll result with, for example, a bar graph or a pie graph? We may already have an extension for creating such things (see: Special:Version). —  Spike  Toronto  22:57, July 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't see anything that can accommodate for the mentioned needs. I found a graph, but it isn't the type of graph I was hoping for. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 02:19, July 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * Let me have a word with one of our templating gurus to see what he might have for us. —  Spike  Toronto  16:52, July 29, 2015 (UTC)

Hi and Infoboxes
Hey Spike, it's been a while :) I'm sorry abotu that -  I was away a long time, and then haven't been on Skype for ages (we switched to using Slack at Wikia).  So many many apologies for not keeping in touch. How are you?

I'm working on some infobox stuff at the moment, and I see Scratchpad has lots. Generally I'm leaving messages on various forums, but with Scratchpad being unique I'm not sure what's best. Maybe if I paste the message on the forum and then go ahead and start looking at the infoboxes? Let me know what you think.

p.s. no message wall? come over to the dark side ;) -- sannse (help forum | blog)  21:33, August 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * hahaha!! It’s just easier for me with an old-fashioned talk page: It’s so very hard to teach an old dog new tricks. But, I happily admit that message walls have been marvelous at fostering a greater sense of community here at Scratchpad. I’m amazed how much of an increase in collaboration they have engendered. It really makes me very happy to see the increased and improved interaction from a generally not-very-communicative lot.""As for infoboxes, you are correct that Scratchpad has many, but I am not sure how many of them are actually used by the current community. What often occurs is that users imbed on a page what looks like an infobox, but it’s really raw wikitable code (see example here). I think what might be better would be for there to be a set of brand-new infoboxes, created from scratch, to serve the users’ various needs. To that end, a post on the forums asking the community what infoboxes they currently use, and what new ones they would like to see, might be a good starting point.""It’s so nice hearing from you again! I hope all’s well. —  Spike  Toronto  21:43, August 5, 2015 (UTC)

Looking at Special:Insights/nonportableinfoboxes, there are a lot of "real" infoboxes, so it might be best to start with converting those. But there are also a lot of different ones there, so some sort of consolidation and organization would also be good. I'll find out tomorrow what sort of generalized boxes are possible with the new system, and also look a bit more at what already exists. It's getting a bit late here now though, so sleep-time for me. All's well here thanks, and I hope it is with you and yours too! -- sannse (help forum | blog)  04:15, August 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello again! I did try my hand at converting one after responding above. You can see the result at Template:Hero character infobox/portable. From the [ revision history] you can see it required some post-conversion fixing. However, I think that that was because of that infobox’s odd repetition of the 3 parameter in each section. The conversion app most likely expects to see a given parameter once only.""As for infoboxes here at SP, I never said there weren’t a lot of them; I said I don’t think a lot of them are used currently. Many of them date from SP’s earlier incarnation as the Wikia proving ground. A while ago, I did start a project of collecting for SP a variety of infoboxes (e.g., general, movie, television shows, television episodes, person, character, song, album, etc., etc.). But, like so many I things I start here, I was partway through when I got distracted by whatever need suddenly became more pressing. I still think that such a core suite of infoboxes would be very useful here.""Finally, I defer completely to you on this issue. However you think we should best proceed is how we shall proceed. —  Spike  Toronto  14:28, August 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * The conversion feature is very rough, it just gives you an outline to work with. I'll have another look at the list on Monday, and see what might work best.  For tonight, I've just washed my dog, so that's enough productivity for a Sunday ;) Talk soon -- sannse  (help forum | blog)  02:10, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

UserTalkNotifications
Upon further investigation, it appears that all of Wikia's notification system is broken thus breaking the script as well as not letting users know when they have a new message on a real talk page. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 20:43, August 6, 2015 (UTC) P.S. I'm replying here because I'm doing testing with my talk page on this matter. Continue the conversation here please.

✅ ~Curiouscrab (talk) 20:59, August 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not aware of any current problems with notifications (well, not any that sound like what you are seeing) Can you report any problem via Special:Contact please? Then we can look into it -- sannse (help forum | blog)  04:15, August 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * CC, I did notice something odd today: Instead of Wikia’s system-wide notice regarding their current survey appearing at the bottom of the screen, it – along with the talkpage notice – were appearing at the bottom of the page. I had to scroll all the way down to where other wikia are promoted to see the lower righthand corner blue box(es). Odd. —  Spike  Toronto  14:36, August 7, 2015 (UTC)  18:05, August 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * P.S. Thanks sannse for helping out here with this issue!! —  Spike  Toronto  14:39, August 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * But, the messages work now? I discovered that somewhere there's some styling that declares anything with the id WikiaNotifications (i.e. the message system) was set to display: none. I re-wrote the script to remove the id in order for the script to work properly. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 18:09, August 8, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, yes and no. It works inasmuch as the blue notification bubble appears. But, it appears at the bottom of the page where no one can see it. It’s supposed to appear at the bottom of the screen, where it can be easily seen. You do realize I’m talking about Oasis, right? Monobook doesn’t matter. For one, it works fine in Monobook; but, no one uses Monobook. Anyway, if there had been no changes made to the Dev wiki’s program, prior to when this started happening, then it’s most likely something on Wikia’s side. As a test, I’m going to reset the community messages bubble to see where it pops up at (even though I know they’re not quite the same thing). —  Spike  Toronto  18:25, August 8, 2015 (UTC)


 * Same thing is happening with the somewhat unrelated community messages bubble: It’s appearing at the bottom of the screen and not at the bottom of the page, where it belongs. This must be a problem at Wikia’s end. Switch to Oasis and browse around SP to see what I mean. —  Spike  Toronto  20:08, August 8, 2015 (UTC)


 * I think the best thing is to send this to Special:Contact, it sounds like a job for Rappy to me -- sannse (help forum | blog)  02:10, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

I just did some quick testing and the issue is in the Dev wikia’s UserTalkNotifications script. Something in it causes all talk page notifications to push to the bottom of the page (as opposed to the bottom of the screen). When I append  to a given URL, the interwiki/crosswiki notification of talk page messages from a site still using talk pages (e.g., Admin Tools Wiki) appears properly at the bottom of the screen. The only script in my personal JS that impacts that “element” is the one for Dev wikia’s UserTalkNotifications. Ergo, that must be wherein lies the problem. For my advice on this matter, CC, please see the affixed video. — Spike  Toronto  07:42, August 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * Everything seems to be working for me in both skins. The only thing is the script only works on content pages and not message walls, so make sure you are using it on the right kind of page. Youhavenewmessages notifications don't appear for message wall posts, but rather a Wikia notification appears at the top of the page. When debugging, I discovered this fatal confusing factor. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 23:32, August 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * Now, it’s not working at all. In fact, I received no notice for your message immediately above this post. And as for your other points, I have it set up correctly at my end, and understand how the Wikia notifications work for all instances in all skins. Thanks! — Spike  Toronto  18:24, August 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * I disabled the script in Oasis and none of Wikia's notifications are showing up. I don't think the script is causing issues right now, but rather Wikia is having issues. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 15:32, August 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * It's most definitely Wikia's issue. With the script, the notification appears whether or not the talk page is fake or not. Without the script, nothing appears. As I said before, somewhere there is CSS styling hiding the messages for some unknown reason. I'll look around for it. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 15:34, August 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * From investigation I've discovered that adblock detects WikiaNotifications to be an ad and blocks it. This must be the source of the CSS. If you aren't using adblock, then I don't know what could be the cause of the issue. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 15:45, August 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the updates, CC. I’ll so some more testing at my end and report back with the results. It’s all so tedious, though; so, don’t expect a rapid response. —  Spike  Toronto  16:59, August 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * P.S. I forgot to mention: I started receiving the notifications again, yesterday or the day before. But, in Oasis, the blue bubbles are still being pushed to the very bottom of the page instead of appearing at the bottom of the screen. —  Spike  Toronto  17:04, August 19, 2015 (UTC)


 * Could you report this to Special:Contact, with a screenshot please? I'm not sure what's going on there, but I think it may be custom code issues. If so, Rappy will be able to help.  Thanks -- sannse  (help forum | blog)  05:43, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

Crabman, I think it’s the  stuff you’ve done here. Since the script piggybacks on Wikia’s notification system, we should not need to re-style/re-position it in any way; Wikia’s already got the Oasis bubble and the Monobook banner correctly positioned. But, just to be sure, whenever we can get into our global.js files again, I’ll stop importing it in order to verify that Wikia’s built-in, talk-page notifications are indeed positioning correctly. That way, we can determine if – as sannse suggests – we should Special:Contact staff. Until then, let’s just back-burner the issue. — Spike  Toronto  04:45, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

✅ I tested with my Oasis test account, which has no custom CSS/JS, and have determined that there is no issue on Wikia’s side. The blue bubble, talk-page notifications appear exactly as they are supposed to appear. This strongly suggests that the issue is with w:c:dev:UserTalkNotifications. My money’s on the  stuff. — Spike  Toronto  03:50, August 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ Fixed. I removed the id from the stuff because adblock was having issues with it. The "z-index stuff" wouldn't have been the problem because, as we all know, x is horizontal, y vertical (and your issue in this matter), and z 3 dimensional. I undid the edits and the script is no longer compatible with adblock, so you'll have to either pick ads and the script or no ads and no script. Aka, all or nothing. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 22:39, August 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yay! It’s working! Thanks for fixing it. By the way, when you’re working on scripts, you need to do your work in Oasis. Once you’ve got it working in the default skin, then you can switch to Monobook and get it working there. Thanks again! — Spike  Toronto  03:19, August 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * That wasn't the problem here. The issue was adblock, an external application. Regardless, I try to make my scripts work 100% with Oasis and Monobook, but sometimes part of a script for one skin interferes with the script for another. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 23:29, September 13, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah. Okay. But, what does AdBlock have to do with me? I don’t use it. —  Spike  Toronto  05:48, September 14, 2015 (UTC)


 * It was the issue on my end. And, while trying to fix it, it ended up causing the script to exhibit strange properties. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 02:34, September 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Got it. —  Spike  Toronto  18:19, September 16, 2015 (UTC)

Jcnsteve's Edit Summaries
Hello SpikeToronto. I don't know if you've noticed, but a user named Jcnsteve says something that seems a bit bad in the edit summary in some of his edits. He says that he wants to believe and that he also wants to arrest you, the latter part being the thing that seems bad. Pages that he's used it on include Pluto (Character), Goofy (character), Daisy Duck (Character), Donald Duck (Character), Mickey Mouse (Character), Roo (Character), Tigger (Character), Eeyore (Character), Piglet (Character) and Winnie the Pooh (Character). His edits on those pages are really not bad ones. It's just what he says about you in the edit summaries. Again, I wasn't sure if you were aware of this. So I thought I'd leave you a message explaining it. Would you mind telling me what you think of this? BiggestThomasFan (talk) 22:24, August 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you BTF for bringing this to my attention. That was very helpful of you. I decided to do the following:
 * Reverted all of his edits back to 2015-08-20.
 * Removed his disturbing edit summaries so they’re no longer visible in article revision histories, his contribs, or recent changes.
 * Indefinitely blocked him (verify), which does not mean permanently blocked; it just means the block will not expire automatically, but can be removed once he engages us on his message wall.
 * Let me know if I missed anything. —  Spike  Toronto  07:15, August 30, 2015 (UTC)

Flags & Infobox Migration
I see how they work, but I don't see any additions to the flags and was wondering what was to be done with this feature. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 23:32, August 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * I’ve been working with Flags since it was rolled out to us over on the Community Council. It’s quite possible that we may have no use for them here at SP. I thought having the template as a flag would be a good idea; but, only templates in ns:0</tt> get auto-migrated. So, unless they activate auto-migration in other namespaces, we may have no use for them, sadly. In the meantime, please don’t mess with them.  —  Spike  Toronto  23:38, August 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * P.S. If you’re looking for some projects, I do have two new tools that have been rolled out and need implementing. Let me know. —  Spike  Toronto  23:42, August 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'd like to see these 2 new tools. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 14:09, August 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * Turns out it’s only one. The other one I was thinking about is not activated here. The other thing is, we need to convert our wikitext infoboxes to these new “portable” infoboxes, which are compatible with mobiles (i.e., iPhones, iPods, etc.). You’ve probably seen the module at the top of the righthand side rail on every template page. Notwithstanding its appearing everywhere, it really is limited to infoboxes only. Before you start, I want to discuss it with you in [ chat]. Also, I need to ask a staff member a question about this project first. To see an example, please see one I’ve done at Template:Hero character infobox/portable. You also have to read Help:PortableInfoboxes before we can begin. Finally, you can find a list of possible infoboxes at Special:Insights/nonportableinfoboxes. Note, however, that many of the templates listed there are not infoboxes and so do not need portable versions made of them. So, read up on all this “stuff”, but don’t start until we’ve [ chatted]. —  Spike  Toronto  03:40, August 31, 2015 (UTC)


 * Nice. They actually have wikitext for infoboxes. I didn't think they had them before. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 23:55, September 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * Before we start migrating our infoboxes, many of them need to be fixed like you did with Template:Hero character infobox. Also, many of the templates the migration tool thinks are infoboxes are in fact not infoboxes. —  Spike  Toronto  01:15, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

Zachsir's Bad Behavior
No offense, but there's this user named Zachsir. He put in some trailers that weren't in a DVD release, and I think he should be banned. Can you please block him? VeggieFan2000 (talk) 23:15, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

Zachsir is at it again! PLEASE ban Zachsir! Do it now. VeggieFan2000 (talk) 00:10, September 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * I've gone ahead and reverted his edits. I also protected the page from editing for 3 days to allow Spike to see what's going on and to make a final decision before this turns into a terrifying edit war. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 02:41, September 15, 2015 (UTC)

@VeggieFan2000: We rarely if ever ban someone just because they’re involved in an editing dispute. Remember: bans are permanent. Therefore, a person’s behavior would have to be incredibly egregious to warrant a ban. In this instance, a ban is not warranted. However, I will review all the edits involved to determine whether any short-term blocks are merited. — Spike  Toronto  19:06, September 16, 2015 (UTC)

@Curiouscrab: Thank you for the action you took in this matter. The three-day page protection was a very good idea and wholly in keeping with our edit warring policy. In this particular instance, the page was first edited and maintained by Zachsir. It was edited by VF2000 only to the extent that he didn’t like Zacksir’s edits. So, my usual course of action with this fact scenario is the following:


 * 1)  For Zachsir :
 * 2) * Revert the page to Zachsir’s last clean version
 * 3) * Rename the page as:"[ Opening to The Pirates Who Don't Do Anything: A VeggieTales Movie 2008 DVD (Zachsir's version)]"
 * 4) * Fully move-protect the newly renamed page for THREE (3) months; no edit protection
 * 5) * Add  to the page
 * 6) * Prepend the following to the page:""
 * 7) * If not already exisiting, create a mini-wiki for Zachsir in mainspace using:""
 * 8) ** Categorize it as
 * 9) * Categorize his userpage as
 * 10) The redirect that got created with the page rename may be deleted if circumstances warrant
 * 11)  For VeggieFan2000 :
 * 12) * From the revision history, find VF2000’s last clean edit
 * 13) * From the editor, copy the entire contents of that revision
 * 14) * Paste those contents into a new page called:"[ Opening to The Pirates Who Don't Do Anything: A VeggieTales Movie 2008 DVD (VF2000's version)]"
 * 15) * Add  to the page
 * 16) * Prepend the following to the page:""
 * 17) * the page
 * 18) * Fully move-protect the newly renamed page for THREE (3) months; no edit protection
 * 19) Review the edits and edit summaries of participants in the edit war to see if any of them, as well as any interpersonal behavior, merits a temporary suspension of editing privileges; if so, apply a three-day block, and notify the blocked user(s) on his/hers/their message wall using.

That’s it. — Spike  Toronto  19:06, September 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * I went through and took care of everything. I made a few changes to your plan. I shortened to protection on Zachsir's to prevent any edit warring to suddenly erupt. I also indefinitely move-protected both pages to prevent any issues. I don't know whether to salt the original page or not. Neither users' edits seemed to merit the need of any bans so none were given. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 21:27, September 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking this on Crabman. As for the plan, it’s not really changeable if we’re to be consistent with how it’s been done heretofore. This is not to say we can’t change things henceforth, but it would have to be discussed. —  Spike  Toronto  21:45, September 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ok. The indefinite move protection were actually a mistake that I didn't want to have to fix and have the history filled with protections. The protection on Zachsir's page should have worn off by now. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 22:10, September 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * No problem. —  Spike  Toronto  22:21, September 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * I decided to create a disambiguation page at Opening to The Pirates Who Don't Do Anything: A VeggieTales Movie 2008 DVD. It’s the first time I’ve used a disambiguation page in this way, but I figured it be worth a shot. Let me know what you think! —  Spike  Toronto  21:21, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

FixLinks
I believe I fixed the problem. There were some minor bugs that needed to be worked out, and now the script recognizes more characters and can exclude certain things. Also, it only runs on source pages and shouldn't affect users on a non-source page. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 22:06, September 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * It completely crippled both this wikia and Admin Tools Wiki. I have a few screen caps if you’re interested. Also, since I have to get a third party to make edits to our MediaWiki namespace, and we can no longer maintain it ourselves, I am going to leave the importation of that script at MediaWiki:Common.js</tt> commented out: I cannot bear to pester someone else to do it for us. However, if you want me to test it for you, I can load it via my personal common.js</tt>. —  Spike  Toronto  22:22, September 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * Sure. Screenshots would be cool. Also, go ahead and test it. There shouldn't be any issues with it anymore as they've all been fixed. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 15:57, September 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * When I have the time, I’ll test it via my personal JS. Also, here’s a list of screencaps for you:
 * File:FixLinks problems 2014-09-20a.png
 * File:FixLinks problems 2014-09-20b.png
 * File:FixLinks problems 2014-09-20c.png
 * — Spike  Toronto  09:46, September 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * Cool. All three of those things should be fixed and shouldn't appear ever again. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 01:48, September 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks! — Spike  Toronto  18:41, September 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * I altered the script a little bit due to issues with images and other items on talk pages. This will most definitely ensure that the issues caught in the screenshot won't happen again. If you see any issues with the recent change, do screenshot and leave a link to the image on my dev talk page since it seems to me to belong better on that wiki than this one. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 01:35, October 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * I’m a little confused, Crabman. I thought that this script was only supposed to work in the MediaWiki namespace on pages ending with .css</tt> or .js</tt>, and perhaps in other namespaces, but again, only on pages ending with .css</tt> or .js</tt>? — Spike  Toronto  03:55, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

~Curiouscrab (talk) 18:28, October 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * It works for all source pages. I see where the confusion might be, and I meant if you are looking at any scripts if anything looks funny let me know. Nothing in the main namespace that doesn't end with a file extension will be altered. I just wanted you to know that another change was made, and I'm unaware of all the testcases that would merit an error.

Big Hero 6 (2014)/Inside Out (2015)
Recently, I noticed a user named Eddiekrdz vandalizing the Big Hero 6 (2014)/Inside Out (2015) page. Revision here: http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Big_Hero_6_(2014)/Inside_Out_(2015)?diff=1806950 I created a private column, but he deleted it. Luckily, I reverted his edits and added which column belongs to who. – TheMoonlightPegasus (talk) 00:28, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this constitutes vandalism, but Eddiekrdz did it again: http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Big_Hero_6_(2014)/Inside_Out_(2015)?diff=1806977&oldid=1806961 This time, he removed the "Pegasus" column (which indicates that it's my column). – TheMoonlightPegasus (talk) 02:12, September 23, 2015 (UTC)


 * After your edit fixing the article, I left him a warning here. He has since continued to edit war over the article and has therefore violated our three-revert rule. Consequently, I have blocked him for three days. —  Spike  Toronto  03:21, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Created new wiki
Thank you for your welcome. I followed your advice and have now made a separate wiki at w:c:am.iyaric, how easy would it be to transfer the entire contents of my Category:Iyaric over there at one time? Cheers, Ras Feqade (talk) 15:24, October 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * If everything is categorized, the easiest way is with Special:Export here, and w:c:am.iyaric:Special:Import over there. — Spike  Toronto  18:15, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

Never mind, I figured that out, but I have a different problem... although it made me a bureaucrat level, it still says I do not have permission to edit the local interface messages. What is wrong? With regards, Ras Feqade (talk) 16:35, October 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * There have been some security issues lately here at Wikia. If you need to edit the MediaWiki namespace, you need to request activation from staff via w:c:am.iyaric:Special:Contact. — Spike  Toronto  18:15, October 6, 2015 (UTC)

Script Libraries
I'm not too sure about how much you use your console to test stuff, but I found a JS library that shortens scripts quite significantly that goes by the name of I've tested it out in various places and it works very well. This allows users to simplify the syntax of scripts which would make testing items much easier. What do you think? I know we would have to be able to edit Mediawiki:Common.js because, as you've stated before, you don't want to keep having to ask people to do simple things for you, so it's not an immediate thing. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 02:00, October 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey Crabdude! First, isn’t http://punbb.atspace.cc your website? Second, I do actually use my console for testing stuff and for finding which scripts are breaking when there are issues; however, I only do so when I’m working on an actual computer, which is rare since I most often am working on my iPad. —  Spike  Toronto  04:02, October 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * 1. Yeah, I meant founded but I apparently didn't finish typing the word. 2. The library would be helpful for you then so that you could use functions to find the source of things or see whether something loaded in properly or not. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 21:00, October 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * I talked to the site host and they said that if the traffic exceeded 1000 views I would have to upgrade or lose my account. I'll have to find a new host. In the meantime, the library is down. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 22:54, October 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh. That’s not good. Thanks, though, for the update. — Spike  Toronto  11:25, October 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Good news. I found a hack that allows me to host the library on my other site. You can see the library here. There are no limitations on this new host site. Pay no attention to how the script is named in terms of file type, it works just fine (as I have tested it). <span style="color:#000000; text-decoration:none !important;">~ Curiouscrab (talk) 21:50, December 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * Also, I tested character escaping so it's impossible to exploit the script in bad ways. <span style="color:#000000; text-decoration:none !important;">~ Curiouscrab (talk) 21:53, December 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hey Crabman! I think that if a Wikia wiki wanted to use one of the scripts that you have housed over at punbb, they’d have to copy and paste it to Wikia and submit it for JS review. Then, if approved, they’d have to run it using the Wikia copy. I’d be surprised if Wikia would accept it being imported from off-Wikia. —  Spike  Toronto  01:29, December 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hmm...the review process takes a while and I think it would be an inconvenience while the library is being developed little by little to have to every time make changes and then submit them for review. <span style="color:#000000; text-decoration:none !important;">~ Curiouscrab (talk) 01:47, December 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I wasn’t referring to any scripts that would still be in development. No one wants to put a script in their MediaWiki namespace, and get it reviewed, if it’s not done and dusted (i.e., 100% ready for rollout). Ciao! — Spike  Toronto  05:00, December 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, the point of loading it here would be for testing purposes as well as making some scripts using this library. <span style="color:#000000; text-decoration:none !important;">~ Curiouscrab (talk) 01:28, December 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * Just remember: Scratchpad is not a test site. Anyway, on another topic, when are you going to get back to doing some admin work? Thanks! — Spike  Toronto  06:16, December 6, 2015 (UTC)

The only way you are going to be able to test those scripts here at Wikia is if you do the following: Thanks. — Spike  Toronto  10:11, December 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * move all your scripts from your off-site library to the MediaWiki namespace of your test wiki here at Wikia
 * submit them for review

<span style="color:#000000; text-decoration:none !important;">~ Curiouscrab (talk) 18:14, December 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'll probably start administrating once I finish the library as well as another script I'm working on (a big project). BTW, the library has been added to some more.

Hello!
Hi. My name is JOEY310, but you can just call me Joey. I am a new editor on this wiki.

Happy editing!

--JOEY310 19:01, October 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Joey! Welcome to Scratchpad. —  Spike  Toronto  19:04, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

Wrong creator
The two Multiverse parodies, Rude Dog and the Dweebs and The Get Along Gang was my, not GetAlongGangFan16.RetroGameFan9000 (talk) 00:46, November 15, 2015 (UTC)


 * Please go ahead and fix it. Sorry for the mistake. —  Spike  Toronto  08:57, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

A little help here
Can you help me add more parodies to my movies/video games/anime/television show pages? Please and thank you. Princess Dynasti (talk) 03:14, November 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Princess Dynasti! I’m flattered that you would ask me to help out. Unfortunately, I have such a backlog of administrative and technical work here at Scratchpad that I don’t have time to work on content. Thank you for asking, though. — Spike  Toronto  10:50, November 25, 2015 (UTC)

Nvadertim
Hey, SpikeToronto. Can you please talk to Nvadertim? He keeps mentioning TheSitcomLover's name for no reason on some of his. If he doesn't stop using TheSitcomLover's name, can you otherwise block him infinitely? Thanks in advance. - LegalizeAnythingMuppets (talk) 22:13, December 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi LAM! I noticed this earlier with Sitcomlover’s message here on my talkpage. Nvadertim has also used my name on occasion. I don’t think he means any harm by it. Anyway, he is very non-communicative, so messages on his MessageWall will probably not achieve the desired result. (By the way, have any of you left him a message?) What I have been doing is essentially what Sitcomlover did yesterday:
 * rename any pages that have any of our names in the title.
 * replace the contents on the redirect page(s) that get(s) left behind with the template
 * remove any such names from the text of any such articles, saving the edited result.
 * for all such clean-up transactions, use this as an edit summary: Do NOT use other people’s names!!
 * Hopefully, he’ll get the message, eventually. —  Spike  Toronto  22:31, December 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay. Thanks in advance. -- LegalizeAnythingMuppets (talk) 22:37, December 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * I just left him a message. — Spike  Toronto  22:43, December 2, 2015 (UTC)


 * Cool. Thanks in advance. -- LegalizeAnythingMuppets (talk) 22:45, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

Nickolasd
SpikeToronto, do you remember when we both told User:Nickolasd to stop creating pages using my name on them back in June 2014? Well since then, he has created two more pages with my name one them. One being a page that you changed the title of, and he also recently created a page with my name on it. I've already changed the title of it, but both pages were ones that I did not want to work on, even though he seemed to want me to. It's starting to become clear to me that this user either didn't listen to us back then or forgot all about what we said. Is there anything else you can do to stop him from using my name on more pages? Thank you for your time. BiggestThomasFan (talk) 02:28, January 9, 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi BiggestThomasFan. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I have cleaned up whatever you were unable to do (i.e., actions requiring sysop privileges):
 * deleted leftover redirects with your name in the title,
 * deleted any edit summaries in his last 250 edits that had your name in them, and
 * left him a message on his MessageWall here.
 * Please let me know if this issue recurs. Keep me up to date. —  Spike  Toronto  06:54, January 9, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you, and I'll let you know if this happens again. BiggestThomasFan (talk) 13:00, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

Update 2016-01-24
He just recently used my name in an edit summary again. When creating The Runaway and Other Spike Stories, he said that it was a request from me, but I never actually requested that page. Wouldn't that be a considered a lie or a false statement? This may not be a very bad thing, but it was something I couldn't help but notice. So I thought I'd come to you about it. BiggestThomasFan (talk) 21:07, January 24, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you BiggestThomasFan for bringing this to my attention. I have taken the following actions:
 * deleted the edit summary you discovered at The Runaway and Other Spike Stories
 * deleted the edit summary I discovered at Earthworm Jim's Secret and Other Ash Adventures
 * blocked him for THREE (3) days until 07:16, January 28, 2016 (UTC) (verify)
 * As usual, please keep me abreast of any developments in this regard.
 * — Spike  Toronto  07:32, January 25, 2016 (UTC)

Update 2016-02-19
I just found out that the aforementioned user has used my name again on an edit summary for Pietro's VIP (Ash and Friends), and another under Pikachufreak's Thomas The Tank Engine & Friends US VHS/DVD ideas. Not sure if what he says is really bad, but you did say to let you know if he uses it again. BiggestThomasFan (talk) 21:07, February 19, 2016 (UTC)


 * The issue previously was one of attribution: Then, Nickolasd was attributing to you work that you had not done, and with which you did not want to be associated. The two examples above are different: In those instances, he is using the edit summaries to instruct his writing partner (Pikachufreak) to model his work after your style/method, to follow your example. It would be inappropriate to take a disciplinary action in this case: It would negatively reinforce positive behavior. (Ideally, one wants to positively reinforce positive behavior, or negatively reinforce negative behavior.) Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Please, keep me apprised and updated. —  Spike  Toronto  21:29, February 19, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I'll remember this. BiggestThomasFan (talk) 21:41, February 19, 2016 (UTC)

Hello it has been a long time
Hi I would like to know how to make it on my wiki that my message wall redirects to my old talk page?

Hypercane (talk) 23:28, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

About Scoobybay26
Hi. There's one user named Scoobybay26. She kept editing Total Drama series (RatiganRules Style) and The Total Drama Characters (2015) without the creators' permission. She also spammed on me, RatiganRules, and RebeccaTheSorceress' walls. Can you do anything about it, or should I just ignore her? Thanks. Sophie the Otter 20:51, January 25, 2016 (UTC)


 * Sophie, thank you for bringing this to my attention. For my response, please see the following posts to her message wall:
 * Thread:426869
 * Thread:426872
 * Thread:426873
 * Please keep me updated of any new developments regarding this issue. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask. —  Spike  Toronto  07:30, January 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * For your information, and to keep you up to date, please see the following:
 * Thread:426869, and
 * Thread:427239.
 * — Spike  Toronto  18:15, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

The Land of Teletoon
Please Do All The Land of Teletoon: A Great Day's The Live Concert Songs and Transcript!--Aja22 (talk) 22:39, February 20, 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry Aja22. I don’t work on the creative aspects of Scratchpad. As an Administrator, my primary role is to maintain the site and its infrastucture. I do not create articles. —  Spike  Toronto  22:47, February 20, 2016 (UTC)


 * No, Apologies Denied. You need to add the Transcript to Mo' Money's Day Off in

Re: Princess Dynasti
SpikeToronto, I've got some important news. Princess Dynasti is editing everything. Can you please find her and revert all of the pages back?


 * Is she vandalizing the articles, or just editing them? — Spike  Toronto  22:55, February 20, 2016 (UTC)


 * After looking at the revision histories, edit summaries, etc., I have concluded that the three of you are involved in an edit war. Consequently, I have blocked all three of you for three days. If the three of you continue as you have been, you will be blocked again, with each block being escalated by an additional three days. When your blocks expire, I expect to see all three of you in [ Scratchpad’s Chatroom] apologizing to each other and discussing how you three can work together in future. Later today, I will be leaving explanatory block notices on each of your message walls, after I have cleaned up your messes. — Spike  Toronto  23:36, February 20, 2016 (UTC)

Scoobybay26 has done it again
She edited The Total Drama Characters (2015) without the creator (15sturmelle)'s permission. Since she did not comply to the previous warnings, mayhaps you should give her a more serious consequence (i.e. a temporary block). Can you please help me out on this? Thanks. Sophie the Otter 01:28, February 22, 2016 (UTC)


 * ✅ Since my previous notice to her stated that that would be her only warning, and that she would be blocked for three days if it happened again, I have blocked her for those three days (verify). Thank you for keeping me up-to-date on this issue. I apologize for the delay in responding. —  Spike  Toronto  07:07, February 22, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Also, it seems that this user Xenia.franklin.9 happens to be a sockpuppet of Scoobybay26 in terms of behavior and similar profile information. Should you consider taking action on this? Sophie the Otter 22:44, February 24, 2016 (UTC)


 * I noticed the Xenia.franklin.9 account earlier today and was wondering the same thing. Odd, though. The way I set up the block, no matter what account she uses, she should not be able to get in … unless she is logging in from a different IP address. I’ll ask Staff to look into it. —  Spike  Toronto  22:49, February 24, 2016 (UTC)


 * After corresponding with Staff, I’ve permanently blocked the Xenia.franklin.9 account as a sock puppet of Scoobybay26. Now, I’m growing suspicious of the Xeniaslimey account. Thank you, Sophie, for keeping me informed about these issues. — Spike  Toronto  04:36, February 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * Anytime, SpikeToronto. Do you think you should block that account, too? That's another sockpuppet of Scoobybay26. Sophie the Otter 11:57, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Recent Inactivity
I've been inactive recently for multiple reasons: Just some items that came up. I hope things went fairly smoothly in my absence. Sorry I couldn't warn you of my sudden leave. <span style="color:#000000; text-decoration:none !important;">~ Curiouscrab (talk) 00:29, February 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * network/CPU infections - my brother was messing around and I had to remove 10+ nasty viruses and am still doing so during which the network was vulnerable and shut down (i.e. no Internet)
 * nw.js - I did some offline stuff and worked on some applications (example) to pass the time
 * school - I've been busy with school


 * When you’ve got some time, perhaps you could take on daily/weekly NewFiles review. Rider ranger47 was doing it, but he’s recently got some real world impingements on his time. —  Spike  Toronto  02:06, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

Sockpuppet Templates
Could you do a quick run through of what the different templates mean and how to use them? <span style="color:#000000; text-decoration:none !important;">~ Curiouscrab (talk) 20:45, February 29, 2016 (UTC)

SP Policy Change Suggestion
– Curiouscrab (talk) 20:47, February 29, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes. I saw it when you first posted it. I’ll get to it when I can. Sorry it’s taking so long. —  Spike  Toronto  02:06, March 7, 2016 (UTC)

Tomdashel
I've been having some trouble with the aforementioned user on [ my MLP/Thomas parody series]. One of the problems I've been having with him just recently is that I created a page for the series called Races, Rescues and Runaways (Spike and Friends version), and he keeps creating unneeded duplicate pages of that page. I've been redirecting them to the one I created and I've even tried telling him in some of my edit summaries that they aren't needed, but he just seems to be ignoring my edit summaries. So I thought I'd come to you about it and see if there's anything else that can be done about this problem. Thank you for your time. BiggestThomasFan (talk) 18:35, March 1, 2016 (UTC)


 * I wondered what was going on with that. I think I may have made it worse the other day with me trying to consolidate “his” pages via merging and redirecting. So, let me know if I need to fix any of those.""As for what to do, it might be best to let him have his versions; when he creates one, just rename it . Also, add   to his pages.""As for your versions, you should make sure they are incorporated into your own personal mini wiki at BiggestThomasFan and categorized to your own personal category at Category:BiggestThomasFan; you might even want to rename them  .""Finally, Wikia has created a new usergroup that is sort of like an assistant admin. The ability to delete, lock redirects, and/or move-protect the pages involved might help you clean up this mess. Would you like me to (temporarily) add it to your account?  —  Spike  Toronto  19:07, March 1, 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you, and sure, you can add it to my account. BiggestThomasFan (talk) 20:39, March 1, 2016 (UTC)


 * Well, it’s there. But, for some reason, it’s greyed out. I cannot add it to any account. I’ll have to ask Staff to fix it. Be patient. —  Spike  Toronto  20:49, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

Staff have given us a workaround with which I was able to assign you to the Content Moderator usergroup. Please read the following: Remember that it is considered a conflict of interest to use administrative tools in a situation where you are personally involved. In such instances, you must act as neutrally as possible, as if you had no stake in the outcome; subsequent review by an Administrator should be able to clearly see that you acted neutrally. Alternatively, if you are involved in a situation requiring administrative tools, you could, from the outset, request assistance from an Administrator. — Spike  Toronto  00:45, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * Help:Group rights
 * Special:ListGroupRights (scroll down to the Content Moderator section)
 * User blog:DaNASCAT/Introducing New Moderator Opportunities For Community Administration


 * Thank you very much. BiggestThomasFan (talk) 02:48, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Script Consolidation
On Mediawiki:Common.js, there is a section of sysop only scripts that run. Each import is within it's own individual if statement. Generally, pages load faster when a conditional is checked once because the conditional is not cached and thus is checked every time it's called. As for the scripts, they start with AjaxRedirect and end with MassRename. I think this would work better if we were to consolidate them all under one if statement, but keep the comments and such the same. I'm under the impression that you set it up this way so that users who look at the Mediawiki:Common.js page would notice the if statement and not easily overlook this. We could add a note saying that the script is within an if statement with the conditional checking to see if the user is a sysop or not. – Curiouscrab (talk) 20:13, March 1, 2016 (UTC)


 * I’m planning on moving all the sysop-only scripts out of the top-level MediaWiki JS pages. So leave them as-is for now. —  Spike  Toronto  05:39, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Wiki News archives
What's the point of MediaWiki:Sitenotice/Archive and Scratchpad:Community messages/Archive when they are just transclusions of Template:Wiki News/Archive? Wouldn't it be more reasonable to just keep the archive at MediaWiki:Sitenotice/Archive (since nothing is protected by doing a transclusion) and redirect Template:Wiki News/Archive there? Then, update the sitenotice so that it links to MediaWiki:Sitenotice/Archive only? – Curiouscrab (talk) 20:28, March 1, 2016 (UTC)


 * They’re set up that way because of peculiarities in the sitenotice tool. It’s not just here; it also done like that elsewhere at Wikia. You need to remember that the sitenotice is for the Monobook skin only. As I have said more times than I can count, only you use Monobook. Our membership here do not. You fail them by not working in the same skin as they do. For example, since you did not do every step in the instructions at Template:Wiki News the other day, none of our community was made aware of your new blog. None. You must start working in Oasis. If a template, script, css, etc., does not work in Oasis, then it has no value here at Wikia. We have to serve our community, which we can only do by working in the same skin as they do so that we see things as they do.""tl;dr &rarr; Leave those archive sub-pages as is. —  Spike  Toronto  05:33, March 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * P.S. We cannot edit MediaWiki:Community-corner/Archive and MediaWiki:Sitenotice/Archive anyway. Like the bulk of the MediaWiki namespace, those pages are locked to us. — Spike  Toronto  08:30, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

<span style="color:#000000; text-decoration:none !important;">~ Curiouscrab (talk) 21:14, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * I switched my skin over once I was able to get back on after being out awhile. I assumed it was cache issues, and I'm not too familiar with Wikia-specific wiki pages. BTW, I was able to open the editor (not in view source) for Mediawiki:Sitenotice/Archive page. Perhaps the procedures should be re-ordered on Template:Wiki News, for when I went through it I forgot to go back and finish the procedure.


 * The order is very specific. It’s easy to follow. It’s not getting changed.""Re: Mediawiki:Sitenotice/Archive, were you actually able to edit it?! I get a permission warning (see here). I mean, it opens in the source editor, but it’s not editable. —  Spike  Toronto  00:21, March 3, 2016 (UTC)


 * P.S. Are you receiving your talkpage notifications? I’ve left you some messages there. —  Spike  Toronto  05:11, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

<span style="color:#000000; text-decoration:none !important;">~ Curiouscrab (talk) 20:09, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
 * I must have been thinking about Mediawiki:Sitenotice then. I can't seem to edit it either. I just saw your messages today, and I reviewed some of the images uploaded, but it's very difficult considering there's so many of them and I don't know what's a duplicate or not since they all look the same to me.


 * Yeah. I know what you mean. — Spike  Toronto  05:33, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

Script Disable/Edit Option
Recently I did some testing to see how Wikia loads user scripts from User:/common.js compared to loading from Mediawiki:Common.js and discovered that they load asynchronously which means if you add something to your personal common.js it may or may not affect how the site JS loads in. Due to this fact, I was thinking that it might be best to add an option that will allow users to disable scripts by defining an array of scripts not to load in. I created a mockup of the script here and users would simply add userExclude = ['page','anotherpage'] to their common.js and the script would disable those scripts. My variable renaming and other maintenance would have to be completed (which I can do), but other than that the script is ready since the way the site JS is loaded the function would be defined first (aka this will work). I can test it over at the ATW, but since the new review thing is in place, it might be a little more difficult. – Curiouscrab (talk) 01:24, March 4, 2016 (UTC)


 * At Wikia, there is a very specific order in which JS loads, as regards site JS, personal JS, and global JS. You should first ascertain that order from someone like Cqm (I cannot remember the exact order). Also, the best way at a mediawiki-based wiki to let users choose which JS/CSS loads for them is to make all scripts/stylesheets that lend themselves to being optional load via Gadgets (see mw:Extension:Gadgets). I think that would be the better approach. You can test Gadgets over at ATW where it is currently activated. In the meantime, I’ll enquire about having it turned on here at Scratchpad. —  Spike  Toronto  05:46, March 4, 2016 (UTC)


 * Cool, that would work much better. – Curiouscrab (talk) 19:42, March 5, 2016 (UTC)

There's been a lot of drama recently dealing with the whole cast list thing. It seems impractical to allow users to put their own opinions in the main namespace without necessarily identifying it as their own work. I understand what Scratchpad means, but still it seems more like a userspace thing rather than a mainspace thing. What if we "made" a new namespace for cast lists, such as we have the user blog namespace. For example, User cast list:/The Scratchpad Chronicles would be 's cast list for The Scratchpad Chronicles. I've already tested Special:PrefixIndex and we could generate a list of cast lists for each user by refining the search terms. – Curiouscrab (talk) 01:49, March 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * On the technical side, if we wanted a new namespace, we could easily create an actual new and separate namespace. But, cast lists are our mainspace raison d’être. So, that’s really not an issue. One person’s inability to understand (e.g., Scoobybay26) does not a community issue make. It just means that that user is having greater difficulty, and we have to give them more time. In the meantime, we check and correct their work. Finally, some of our members are just so obsessed with certain franchises and certain characters that they cannot accept someone else’s casting, and will always change the work of others to suit themselves. If we cannot break that individual of that behavior, then, quite sadly, we just have to permaban them. But, only as a last resort. Thanks for your ideas, though! We just have to remember that the spectrum issues here at Scratchpad add a wee social worker dimension to our role as admins. —  Spike  Toronto  07:21, March 6, 2016 (UTC)


 * I was just thinking about what the whole idea of a wiki is and the fact that wikis aren't supposed to present ideas/opinions per say, but facts rather. – Curiouscrab (talk) 00:59, March 7, 2016 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but not at Wikia. At Wikia a wiki can be created for any purpose. Of course, if this were the actual Total Drama wiki, work in the article mainspace would indeed be limited to being encyclopedic on the topic, no creative writing, no opinion. But, there are also wikis devoted to user creativity. For example, the Habbo wiki is all about Habbo, while the Habbo fanon wiki is devoted to non-canonical, fan-created “stuff”. In that same vein, Scratchpad is also a wiki for non-canonical, fan-created “stuff”. —  Spike  Toronto  01:51, March 7, 2016 (UTC)

Status
I could probably write a script that checks when somebody last edited and based on that data determine whether or not they're on and how busy they are. This would only add the following statuses: I could also add sleeping if I know where the user lives. Away, unknown, and custom (and around) would have to be set on a separate page that the script could check before running (i.e. /status). – Curiouscrab (talk) 00:56, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
 * online/around (truthfully these seem the same to me unless it's referring to on another Wikia)
 * busy
 * offline


 * Of course, you can write any script you want. Users would have to load it via their personal CSS; alternatively, it could be an option added via one’s personal Gadget selections. —  Spike  Toronto  01:57, March 7, 2016 (UTC)

<span style="color:#000000; text-decoration:none !important;">~ Curiouscrab (talk) 21:20, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
 * I meant a JS script that auto-updates the status. Thus, it wouldn't load on CSS, but rather JS and I figured it could be a site-wide thing/gadget thing.