User:SpikeToronto/talk/Archive 8

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Mobile Script
I looked into different ways to load the scripts, and according to the dev wiki importArticles is the best for performance. Now, you said it causes your mobile device to crash. I looked into this, and I discovered this. The Runescape Wiki uses this page in very interesting ways that I think we could adapt to here. See for yourself. This would provide faster performance for computers without crashing mobile devices. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 14:22, June 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * A few things, which I’ll enumerate.
 * importArticles
 * Dev wiki members are other Wikians, like you and I. Their expertise certainly exceeds – by an order of magnitude! – the average Wikian. But, their best practices suggestions are just that: suggestions. They are not edicts from on high.
 * A number of equally skilled Wikians disagree about the benefits of importArticles
 * Your predecessor here (a professional in this field) and I tried importArticles and had it working quite well. (He was a real believer in it.) But, it was never consistent.
 * It may be great for us to use importArticles here, but when someone visits this wiki who uses the older method either in their local or global JS, they often encounter JS issues including with scripts we are loading via importArticles
 * It’s too buggy, and too much effort to maintain.
 * Mobile.
 * Generally, when the word mobile is used around Wikia – and specifically with pages like Mediawiki:Wikiamobile-menu – it means smartphones, iPod Touch, and other relatively small-screen devices. It does not mean tablets like iPad.
 * iPads are fully HTML5, CSS, JS, JQuery, etc., etc., compliant and compatible. iPad users use browsers (e.g., Safari, Chrome, etc.) to access Wikia and WMF sites. The only thing they lack is a JS console. (They can, however, integrate a CSS console into the Safari browser (which I have done).) Chances are if JS breaks on iPad, it will also break on a Mac. An iPad is essentially a small laptop computer.
 * Having said that, I recognize and acknowledge that this wiki is not mobile-compatible. By that I mean that it is not compatible with iPod Touch/iPhone users. That is a project that you can take on, if you want. There are some specialized tools for that purpose. At a later date, if you’re interested, I’ll introduce them to you and assign you the project.
 * Don’t waste time with importArticles. We will not be implementing it here or at ATW. —  Spike  Toronto  06:34, June 26, 2015 (UTC)

~Curiouscrab (talk) 17:32, June 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright. Then, I guess there isn't much other to try and do with mobile stuff unless a user reports issues that I might be able to fix. BTW, I used my console to see how the function works and there are no parameters, so it actually uses another script to import all the data values via tables and thus that probably would overload a "mobile" (in this case, anything that can be move and used easily at the same time) device that isn't really meant for things as complex as that.

Loading...
[ Here] at the bottom of the page there is the text "Loading..." Any ideas what it's doing there? ~Curiouscrab (talk) 19:16, June 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yep. I know exactly what’s going on there. That is the Admin Dashboard. It is a page unique to Wikia that brings together many of the tools used by Administrators on a daily basis. But, it only works properly in the Oasis skin. Try [ this link here] to see how it’s supposed to look.""Look, I like Monobook. At Wikipedia, I still use it over Vector. At Wikia, I still edit all CSS/JS pages in Monobook. But, it simply is not the skin for which Wikia is designed. The main pages of most popular wikis here — even the main page at Community Central! — are simply not compatible with Monobook. (We keep the main pages at SP and ATW simple so that they remain compatible with Monobook.) You need to switch over if you are going to admin at Wikia. First, switch to Oasis in your preferences. Then, under Editing at Special:Preferences, make your settings look like these. This keeps you editing in source mode — just like in Monobook — and not having to use either of Wikia’s horrible wysiwyg editors. —  Spike  Toronto  06:56, June 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * P.S. If you want, I can give you screen caps that show you how to set-up the amazing Oasis toolbar at the bottom of the screen. It’s so awesome, I almost never use pulldown menus, etc. Everything I need is on my personal toolbar. — Spike  Toronto  06:56, June 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * P.P.S. On the AdminDashboard, never ever use these buttons:
 * ThemeDesigner
 * WikiFeatures
 * TopNavigation
 * Doing so will get one permabanned so fast one will get whiplash. No appeals. Thank you. — Spike  Toronto  07:04, June 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * P.P.P.S. You can test with them at your CC wiki, or at w:c:spiketoronto: if you need to. — Spike  Toronto  07:04, June 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah. I saw it in Oasis and it didn't show, so I was just wondering what was going on. — Curiouscrab (talk) 17:29, June 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * When you’re in the Monobook skin, do you ever see any links anywhere to Special:AdminDashboard? Thanks! — Spike  Toronto  12:05, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Special:UnusedCategories
✅ ~Curiouscrab (talk) 18:32, June 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Fantabulous!! —  Spike  Toronto  12:01, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Jcnsteve
Jcnsteve is giving me some trouble. He dosen't explain why he's deletes/adds things.He's puts the Buttocks and nudity links in the Bo sheep page. And then he insults me when I didn't even do and thing to him.

Plus I'm sorry, If I didn't edit this properly. I'm still learning. — UsagiCandy


 * Do you have any links where I can see him doing any of this? —  Spike  Toronto  11:52, July 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ I placed a warning on his message wall. —  Spike  Toronto  13:01, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

It's been a long time
Hi how have you been its been a long time? — HypercaneTeen(talk) 01:21, July 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi HCT! Long time no see. How are things? Did you ever implement, over at your wiki, the IP range calculator that you had asked about? Hope all’s well. — Spike  Toronto  06:26, July 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * No I have not, i completely forgot about that, I have a question may I make a hypothetical stars mini wiki here even though i already made it in July 2013? —Hypotheticalhypercaneeg0.jpgcaneTeen(talk)Hypotheticalhypercaneeg0.jpg 12:17, July 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * Was it deleted?! If so, you can always ask to have it restored at Scratchpad:Requests for undelete (shortcut &rarr; SP:RFUD). Also, you don’t have to ask permission to create a mini-wiki. You can just go ahead and do it! You can either use the input box on the main page, or go to Scratchpad:Make a new wiki. After you create your mini-wiki, be sure to create the preload</tt> by clicking on the link that reads “clicking this link and saving that page”. You should then use the create box on that mini-wiki main page to create all your new pages for that mini-wiki.  —  Spike  Toronto  15:41, July 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * I just checked your deleted contributions, and nothing you have ever created has been deleted, unless you created it using a different account, or while not logged in. (By the way, everyone has to be logged in now to edit at Scratchpad. See: Scratchpad is now semi-protected.) —  Spike  Toronto  15:47, July 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * No, I meant i already made a wikia wiki about it but its dead so maybe starting over as a mini wiki could help it. — Hypotheticalhypercaneeg0.jpgcaneTeen(talk)Hypotheticalhypercaneeg0.jpg 17:54, July 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah. Wikia has an algorithm that deletes inactive wikis. So, perhaps that’s why yours is gone. You might be able to ask them to restore it for you. You have to give them the exact URL that it was (example URL: http://scratchpad.wikia.com). — Spike  Toronto  17:58, July 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * It's not gone it's just very inactive with no contributors: http://hypothetical-stars.wikia.com/wiki/ — Hypotheticalhypercaneeg0.jpgcaneTeen(talk)Hypotheticalhypercaneeg0.jpg 18:12, July 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * Feel free to create as many interwikis – interrelated or stand-alone – as you want. You can even create a if you want. We can be pretty relaxed in that regard.  —  Spike  Toronto  04:25, July 4, 2015 (UTC)

Restore Images
I wonder if you can restore an image of Baby Bop and BJ from the episode "It's Home to Me" I uploaded.

~Curiouscrab (talk) 18:11, July 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * You mean this one?


 * @CC: How did you find that? I cannot find its deletion record. —  Spike  Toronto  00:14, July 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Because I renamed the file. But, since you can't just rename a file nice and easy, I had to delete the old image, re-upload it under a new name, and fix any links/usages of the old image. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 18:14, July 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see. —  Spike  Toronto  22:50, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Archived Polls
I created Template:Poll-done for archiving polls that have been completed. It works well right now, and would help protect some completed polls. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 17:53, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

Testing results at User:Curiouscrab/Sandboxes/Sandbox2. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 18:10, July 20, 2015 (UTC)


 * I saw that template soon after you created it. I was waiting for the documentation so I could know how to use it. I’ll check out the test results. —  Spike  Toronto  00:17, July 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * ✅ Documentation is complete. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 18:14, July 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * Good work on the /doc. As for the template, can we pretty it up a bit? Can it be made to look like a poll result with, for example, a bar graph or a pie graph? We may already have an extension for creating such things (see: Special:Version). —  Spike  Toronto  22:57, July 28, 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't see anything that can accommodate for the mentioned needs. I found a graph, but it isn't the type of graph I was hoping for. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 02:19, July 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * Let me have a word with one of our templating gurus to see what he might have for us. —  Spike  Toronto  16:52, July 29, 2015 (UTC)

Hi and Infoboxes
Hey Spike, it's been a while :) I'm sorry abotu that -  I was away a long time, and then haven't been on Skype for ages (we switched to using Slack at Wikia).  So many many apologies for not keeping in touch. How are you?

I'm working on some infobox stuff at the moment, and I see Scratchpad has lots. Generally I'm leaving messages on various forums, but with Scratchpad being unique I'm not sure what's best. Maybe if I paste the message on the forum and then go ahead and start looking at the infoboxes? Let me know what you think.

p.s. no message wall? come over to the dark side ;) -- sannse (help forum | blog)  21:33, August 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * hahaha!! It’s just easier for me with an old-fashioned talk page: It’s so very hard to teach an old dog new tricks. But, I happily admit that message walls have been marvelous at fostering a greater sense of community here at Scratchpad. I’m amazed how much of an increase in collaboration they have engendered. It really makes me very happy to see the increased and improved interaction from a generally not-very-communicative lot.""As for infoboxes, you are correct that Scratchpad has many, but I am not sure how many of them are actually used by the current community. What often occurs is that users imbed on a page what looks like an infobox, but it’s really raw wikitable code (see example here). I think what might be better would be for there to be a set of brand-new infoboxes, created from scratch, to serve the users’ various needs. To that end, a post on the forums asking the community what infoboxes they currently use, and what new ones they would like to see, might be a good starting point.""It’s so nice hearing from you again! I hope all’s well. —  Spike  Toronto  21:43, August 5, 2015 (UTC)

Looking at Special:Insights/nonportableinfoboxes, there are a lot of "real" infoboxes, so it might be best to start with converting those. But there are also a lot of different ones there, so some sort of consolidation and organization would also be good. I'll find out tomorrow what sort of generalized boxes are possible with the new system, and also look a bit more at what already exists. It's getting a bit late here now though, so sleep-time for me. All's well here thanks, and I hope it is with you and yours too! -- sannse (help forum | blog)  04:15, August 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello again! I did try my hand at converting one after responding above. You can see the result at Template:Hero character infobox/portable. From the [ revision history] you can see it required some post-conversion fixing. However, I think that that was because of that infobox’s odd repetition of the 3 parameter in each section. The conversion app most likely expects to see a given parameter once only.""As for infoboxes here at SP, I never said there weren’t a lot of them; I said I don’t think a lot of them are used currently. Many of them date from SP’s earlier incarnation as the Wikia proving ground. A while ago, I did start a project of collecting for SP a variety of infoboxes (e.g., general, movie, television shows, television episodes, person, character, song, album, etc., etc.). But, like so many I things I start here, I was partway through when I got distracted by whatever need suddenly became more pressing. I still think that such a core suite of infoboxes would be very useful here.""Finally, I defer completely to you on this issue. However you think we should best proceed is how we shall proceed. —  Spike  Toronto  14:28, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

UserTalkNotifications
Upon further investigation, it appears that all of Wikia's notification system is broken thus breaking the script as well as not letting users know when they have a new message on a real talk page. ~Curiouscrab (talk) 20:43, August 6, 2015 (UTC) P.S. I'm replying here because I'm doing testing with my talk page on this matter. Continue the conversation here please.

✅ ~Curiouscrab (talk) 20:59, August 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not aware of any current problems with notifications (well, not any that sound like what you are seeing) Can you report any problem via Special:Contact please? Then we can look into it -- sannse (help forum | blog)  04:15, August 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * CC, I did notice something odd today: Instead of Wikia’s system-wide notice regarding their current survey appearing at the bottom of the screen, it was appearing at the bottom of the page. I had to scroll all the way down to where other wikia are promoted to see the lower righthand corner blue box. Odd. —  Spike  Toronto  14:36, August 7, 2015 (UTC)