Perry Marshall

http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/browse_frm/thread/3dce2afb3339cfc2/c5d0c7e1fa95611b#c5d0c7e1fa95611b Perry Marshall mp3 audio http://1cosmos.org/ transcribed.

To have information you need matter, energy and will. 12.20 The message is seperate from the media. All information requires thought.

Can patterns turn into designs. Is dna a pattern or a design?

ATCG letters of the DNA alphabet. It takes 500000 letters to represent a living organism. In a human it takes 3billion and there is one of those messages in every cell. The information storage mechanism of DNA is more dense than anything we know.

It is comparable to english and la
 * DNA          Language
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleotide, characters.
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codons - letters
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genome - words
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operon - sentences
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulon - paragraphs
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome - chapters

DNA is encoding decoding mechanism that stores and transmits the message of the livinng organisminformation. Biologists used linguistic analysis to decode the human genome. Tools that linguists use to analyze languages ...... 16.36

Language has these four characteristics alphabet, grammar, meaning and intent(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatics). Genes, computer code, feromones between insects, dogs barking and human speech have these four characteristics. Nearly all languages have error correction or redundancy. English is about 50% redundant. If you can hear every other word you can figure out what is being said.
 * What makes a language? It symbolically represents something other than itself.
 * To have information you must have a transmitter and receiver.

Some disagree stateing that DNA is a molecule. DNA molecule is an encoding, decoding system. You can change the alphabet and still have the same message.
 * Is DNA a pattern or a language? DNA is an encoding, decoding mechanism.
 * DNA represents more than itself, it represents an entire living organism.
 * It has alphabet, syntax, meaning-semantics and pragmatics
 * OR alphabet, grammar, meaning and intent. Pragmatics means intent.
 * It can be copied and stored in other media without loss of information.
 * Information is distinct and seperate from whatever it is stored in.
 * The pattern in DNA is not like a language, it is a language.

All languages contain grammar. If I say the "car is red". Is the car red - that is syntax. Semantics would be "Did he steal that car" but by changeing the accent the semantics changes. Intent: You have a green light. It could mean you are holding a green light bulb. Or you have a green light to drive your car. Two completely different meanings based on intent. Intent changed but syntax and semantics, grammar didn't change.

Information can be stored transmittered by matter such as a book or energy such as sound. But information itself is neither matter nor energy. If you only have alphabet or syntax but have no meaning or intent you have a meaningless sentence. In other words there has to be other sentences so you can understand what I mean by you have a green light. 25:32

The core issue for materialism is: Matter and energy all by themselves can't produce information. Cybernetics is the study of the interaction between man and machine.
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norbert_Weiner said: "Information is information, neither energy nor matter, any materialism that fails to take account of this will not survive oneday." 26:51

Perry draws a three dimensional axis. Matter on x-axis. Energy on the y-axis. But the z-axis is will. Information can't be created without intent. There are no examples of information created without intent. All encoding, decoding systems come from a mind.

The problem with an Atheist belief is there is no way to explain where the DNA language came from. Life is preceded by DNA and a watch is preceded by a blueprint or at least an idea in somebody's mind that preceded the building of a watch. 29.00 David Hume and Paley 30:35 The idea exists in symbolic form before it is physically built. For an idea to exist it must be represented by a language. Ideas all ways precedes implementation, all languages come from a mind - no exceptions.
 * Because all encoding, decoding systems come from a mind.
 * The element that is common to both Paley's watch and life is language.
 * The essential distinction between patterns and designs is language.
 * Patterns don't have language - designs do.
 * The fundamental property of all designs is that an idea precedes the implementation of the idea.
 * Therefore a mind designed DNA, therefore God exists.
 * Show me a language that doesn't come from a mind.

Comment by http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/TongueSpeaker Perry's asks: Did an antelope evolve into a giraffe. Did Perry use Evolve in the PatterOrDesign sense?