Godelian Wall

Godelian Wall
All arguments will eventually reach the point where they are going to have to assume something about the description that will never be proved(incomplete).

Implications
Ultimately all paradoxes such as predestination, Crocodile Dilemma will be resolved by some process or something outside of your knowledge context, since our knowledge is forever locked inside of a circle and we will have to assume that there is something greater outside of our knowledge circle.

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On Jul 2, 10:29 pm, "Mike Dworetsky"  wrote: > Ron O wrote: > > On Jul 2, 2:09 pm, backspace  wrote: > >>http://www.gutenberg.org/files/19192/19192-h/19192-h.htm > > >> ''.....Natural selection, unguided, submitted to the laws of a pure > >> mechanism, and exclusively determined by accidents, seems to me, > >> under another name, the chance proclaimed by Epicurus, equally > >> barren, equally incomprehensible; on the other hand, natural > >> selection guided beforehand by a provident will, directed towards a > >> precise end by intentional laws, might be the means which nature has > >> selected to pass from one stage of being to another, from one form > >> to another, to bring to perfection life throughout the universe, and > >> to rise by a continuous process from the monad to man. .......'' > > >> If natural selection is non-random, why did Prof. Janet say it is > >> determined by accidents? > > > Because he was wrong? Except for its historical value why would > > anyone read about a misconception someone had in 1874? > > The gutenberg text is from a book summarising arguments on both sides of > Darwin's theory. > > Janet's book was published in 1867, when, as you say, none of the genetic > concepts we have today existed. All Darwin (and Janet) had to go on was the > fact that complex or multicellular life generally looks like its parents, > for example a child looks like a mix of both its parents. > > Why on Earth should anyone be raising a quotemine from a French philosopher > [not a scientist] from nearly 150 years ago as if it proved anything about > evolution?

Because you are using their exact terminology. If your views differ then change your terminology or at least define what you mean with selection. The Wikipedia Selection article states: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_(user_interface)  This article discusses Design.

'''What is a design? '''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design ''....Philosophies for the purpose of designs In philosophy, the abstract noun "design" refers to a pattern with a purpose. Design is thus contrasted with purposelessness, randomness, or lack of complexity.......''

A design is the usage of patterns as the representation of something other than itself. It has attributes such energy conversion to some goal, during predictable or decidable times as defined under http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/Irreducible_Functionality.

A flagellum *decides* when to generate energy, towards a goal, during a time. The mousetrap *decides*(represents the intent of the designer) to strike at a certain spot, during a certain time. Thus a design is the symbolic epresentation of If/then/what conditionality's It was shown that an IC or IF system is the interaction of objects or Key Functional Parts to symbolically represent purpose enacted in terms of energy, place and time. These three dimensional attributes can be reduced further, but the KFP can be increased (Rube Goldberg) or reduced(Calvin and Hobbs) or made just perfect IOF(irreducible optimized functionality) in the context of aesthetics. The communists build slaps of concrete for people to live in, expressing their soul crushing views. A house can be built to express the sense of aesthetics or to express a crushed spirit.

What is a purpose? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purpose


 * ..Purpose is a result, end, mean, aim, or goal of an action intentionally undertaken,[1]....

'''What is a goal or Intention? '''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentionality


 * The term intentionality was introduced by Jeremy Bentham as a principle of utility in his doctrine of consciousness for the purpose of distinguishing acts that are intentional and acts that are not.[1] The term was later used by Edmund Husserl in his doctrine that consciousness is always intentional, a concept that he undertook in connection with theses set forth by Franz Brentano regarding the ontological and psychological status of objects of thought. It has been defined as "aboutness", and according to the Oxford English Dictionary it is "the distinguishing property of mental phenomena of being necessarily directed upon an object, whether real or imaginary".[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goal
 * A goal or objective is a desired result a person or a system envisions, plans and commits to achieve—a personal or organizational desired end-point in some sort of assumed development. Many people endeavor to reach goals within a finite time by setting deadlines. It is roughly similar to purpose or aim, the anticipated result which guides reaction, or an end, which is an object, either a physical object or an abstract object, that has intrinsic value.

What is an abstract object?
 * An abstract object is an object which does not exist at any particular time or place, but rather exists as a type of thing (as an idea, or abstraction). In philosophy, an important distinction is whether an object is considered abstract or concrete. Abstract objects are sometimes called abstracta (sing. abstractum) and concrete objects are sometimes called concreta (sing. concretum).

What is philosophy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy
 * Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language. [1][2] It is distinguished from other ways of addressing such problems by its critical, generally systematic approach and its reliance on rational argument.[3] The word "philosophy" comes from the Greek φιλοσοφία (philosophia), which literally means "love of wisdom".[4][5][6]