Talk:WiXi

= WiXi TaLK =

oi ve..

= NAME =

what's a good name for service to integrate twext with wiki? • whatever you like.. wixi? • LINGWIKI is kinda fun to say.. fun might be cooler than short urls • WIKITWEXT conforms with branding yadda yadda • xc.cx simple, easy to type, non-language-specific, iDNS capable, anagrammatically sexy, but currently aims for dual license

? are naming schemes engrish-centric in multilingual context? ? can mediawiki do iDNS?? atomania?

domain
whateva you like

iDNS
• wixi prefers multilingual capable urls • idns afaik enables unicodey identification of url resources.. • human readable meaning in domain names preferable • long domain names can be klunky, esp. if english-centric.. • simpler domains enable comprehensible identity in multilingual URLs ! wixi/twext may need manage two languages for single resource ie  - en.ES.url.tld/?RECURSO-WIKIMEDIA or   - english.APRENDE.ESPAnOL.url.tld/?RECURSO-WIKIMEDIA

LICENSE
wikimedia foundation invited to freely license open us patent#6438515 for GFDL use throughout sister sites

= INTEGRATE = wixi proposes a separate service to integrate wikimedia projects with clear focus on single function: free language instruction.

WIKIMEDIA PROJECTS
wixi could be a "plug-in widget" available to existing sites or wixi could be a "separate resource", or both..

wikiquote
providing pithy, meaningful usages in contwext quotes are excellent language teachers.. in mExico we have dichos: wise sayings; pass the test of time.. many quotes we share come from bible; common familiar phrases, ancient wisdom serves language learners.. wisdom is meaningful

wikimedia commons
integrate multiple wikimedia to produce multimedia wixi input input visual, audio, kinesthetic (where possible) integrations we all process info from multiple sources.. combining them creates meaningful instruction, especially when it's fun..

wikiversity
process toward digestible diet of WiXi content schools interface teachers and students in feedback loop to develop, improve education content.. produce improving:

wikibooks
produce entertaining, effective, instructive twexts result of student/teacher process above hopefully can result in properly packaged streams of language instruction, also in the form of wixibooks

wikisource
translation of public domain, free text in twext format as twext or wixi interface tools improve, translators may will easier interface to focus energy on nuance, comments etc..

wiktionary
twext translate meanings, synonyms, etymologies with wictionaryz ONE database and and explosion of atomania?

translation.wikia
twext format translations any translation interface is invited to get twext wixi could combine wiki with twext to offer service

wikipedia Interlanguage_links
when mind focused on learning a subject, reference info in another language may be instructive, and reinforce context-variable comprehensible input.

PROPOSED PROJECTS
wixi may also be of use to proposed wikimedia projects with aim to coordinate energy to produce language learning wixi could serve with plug-in widget, as sister site, or both

WiktionaryZ
all wiktionaries in ONE database me no geek.. is this even posgreble? and distributed databases? wixi would need wicked tough database to coordinate, associate translations of chunks of meaning, mut, atomania http://babylon.com is interesting commercial project..

wikabulary
translation dictionary is this like a translation interface for wiktionaryz? user generated input sounds good, sounds like wiki could we see alt. dictionaries to encourage users to create insightful alt definitionary ala devils dictionary?

wikilingua
preserve, animate endangered and dead languages wixi language learning interface wants to serve you.. unlikely that threatened languages will file lawsuits against copyright infringers of threatened songs etc.

babel_wiki
centralized i18n-l10n repository l10n 2Nth degree possible with proper interface

Wikipedia_Machine_Translation_Project
contextual chunk translation? interface to coordinate translation by the chunk prioritized a. to interpret intent then b. w/ correct grammar.

SignWiki
as kinesthetic rosetta stone for language learners

tpr language method is kinesthetic, imperative tpr is kinesthetic, imperative, verbal/physical meaningful] interaction providing [[comprehensible input.. tprs tried using signs but couldn't find a standard.. standardization may locus via international sign language; those who learn ISL may have an easier time learning languages with base in common, kinesthetic communication system

wikisound
spoken versions of wikiverse for language learners wikisound spoken versions of wiki materials could also serve language learners with pronunciation examples and rich contexts.. materials combining twext text, sound and images are useful, especially if they are artfully integrated and entertaining..

MiniWiki
cut to the chase distilled info is easier to digest.. first generation twexter requires chunking, translations by hand.. miniwiki philosophy could help a sandbox wixi be tested simply

wikimusic II
share information about songs and artists extractage

Wiki_Language_School
teach A. communication B. correctness ok so i added pet peeve about imo misdirection w/ lang methods: stressing "correctness" as priority #1 can make people uptighten.. focus on "communication" priority enables meaningful interaction.. meaningful interaction provides effective comprehensible input, result is, with patience, acquisition of correct grammatical usage se aprende en el gerundio.. anyway, wixi and wiki_language_school is same free idea:

= FOCUS ON LANGUAGE LEARNING = could coordinated resources above focus to serve language learners? with wixi?

twext
what's the problem with twext?

test bifocal bitext?
if bifocal bitext passes your academic test, then a primary argument against twext may weaken..

what about word order?
variable chunk sizes can enable variable comparison between word order usage in variable languages, so then users can get a feeling for how ideas are put together in the new language..

wixi flexibility?
problem: obviously, wiki updates affect translation down-line changing parent text affects child wixi/twext translations.. response: test wixi systems with focus on fixed resources, ie quotations, fair use excerpts, stable wiki resources, etc.

immersion only?
is "immersion" the *only* way to learn a language? really? twext makes no claim to offer any *only* way to learn language.. all twext offers is alternative, maybe complementary approach with intent to help people have more fun learning languages..

is mixing languages bad?
mixing languages might not be palatable academically but in bilingual and multilingual cultures ..it happens if people have fun using communicative language, and thereby gain contextual, repetitive comprehensible input then wassamatta?

POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS
are solutions possible?

bifocal bitext?
translation info can be nearly invisible permission to upload file to show this?

picture might be worth tryin?

if interface interesting?
students choose material that truly interests them.. crucial: if students are trying to learn a foreign language with materials the bore them, no wonder many tests fail with materials that interest students, input is meaningful.. interface design can help students select interesting material (storyasking is key feature to interactive tprs method

if flexible?
text and twext can both be multi-or-mono-lingual earlier development of twext was fixated on belief that text-to-learn had to be in "foreign" language, while translation-text had to be in the "native" language.. actual use shows that people like to read both the text and translation, to compare them.. prior fixation was stuck in rigid belief in crisp division between languages.. actual experience in bilingual culture suggests people manage dual languages at variable levels.. diminished language-separation-anxiety releases creative use of twext toward entertaining communicative mash-up fun.. having a good time can be conducive to learning.. but flexible twext can also offer serious stuff: more advanced students can get "monolingual" twext, where "translation" info is actually "synonym" or "definition" info in the same language as source text. (twext can serve immersion and even english-only systems) future twexter may format for various student levels, and may even learn all the language an individual knows then format twext where needed to learn language.

how chunked?
chunk sizes can range from syllable to multi-sentence or more simply range from word-for-word to full-sentence. research bitext alignment tools xcroll mut

MuT
MuT (Marked-up-Twext) enables comment-per-chunk enrichments twext method vertically arrays chunks, thus enabling horizontal commentary re: specific chunks.. not sure, but suspect if developed, MUT might also assist machines extract intent from added context.. primary purpose of MUT, though, is provide interface for instructive commentary to produce human learning.

system
twext system makes it easy for humans to format bifocal bitext existing systems may already format variable-chunk-bitext, but.. ? are there any that specifically format bifocal bitext? ? are there simple systems that enable MuT? comments, feedback, links welcome thanks

= DEV =

discuss development of wixi avoid spam links to external sites

DEMO
spam filtered thanks to Maria "AngiBrite" in merida, capital de la republica de yucatan =)

- grafica y texto need clean-up

- unable to add/manage multiple languages easy addlang function may inspire multiple uses..

= CONTEXT = demand to learn English worldwide is intense; learning languages creates opportunities, enhancing potential earnings, social ''networking, even individual tolerance and creativity.. '' me no linguist but learning some "foreign" language has been a truly rewarding experience enriching life with new dimensions of feeling and meaning not accessible by mono-lingual thought process..

problem: many people have a hard time with language methods. solution: promote systems that help people improve methods: WiXi is a system help us freely improve language methods.

whatevayawannacallit maybe twext could help people learn, else start a process to make some room for creative improvements..

= SUMMARY =

WikiMedia can deliver effective, free language instruction betwixt a vast and growing base of actively used languages by combining Wikimedia and twext for a free service called x